User talk:Viperinelight20

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TLPG (talk) 19:30, July 30, 2018 (UTC)

Why?
I noticed you removed your story saying you don't want it to be public anymore. Why? There is nothing to be ashamed of in being Autistic. It's a great story you have told and we would like to help you in any way we can. TLPG 11:56, July 31, 2018 (UTC)

Correction. It would appear possible that you are not in fact the user concerned and may be impersonating him. If you are legitimate you need to re-activate your original account. This one is blocked for a month or until such time as your identity can be confirmed. TLPG 14:02, August 1, 2018 (UTC)

Hi, this is in fact Viperinelight50, it's just I no longer use Viperinelight50's email address. A way to put it is that I've started become severely depressed for private reasons. Please can you delete the page.

Also, thanks for blocking this account. Even though this is Viperinelight50, I am pleased you'd protect my identity. Please can you delete the page concerning me.


 * I don't believe you. Reactivate your old account to prove your identity. As of right now I consider you to be impersonating Viperinelight50. The page will not be deleted for this reason. As you are persisting with the impersonation you will be blocked for a longer period and you will no longer be able to edit this page. TLPG 11:26, August 10, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hold it. Here's another reason I don't believe you. Depression is not a reason to delete the page. In fact depression is a reason to keep it because it's an outlet and a tool for getting out of it. Using it as a reason for deletion is fake. The real Viperinelight50 would want to end the depression and deleting the page would allow the depression to win. So the page needs to stay for him. If it's deleted it will just send him (if that claimed depression actually exists) even further into it. Not something I will support. If there is an issue, deleting the page is the LAST thing that should be done. It's something to proud of - not depressed about, at all. TLPG 12:06, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

Hey TLPG - while I understand your doubts, we have been able to confirm their identity, so I've gone ahead and removed the page now for privacy reasons. Kirkburn (talk) 19:38, August 10, 2018 (UTC)
 * @Kirkburn - did you read what I said above? Removing the article is letting the depression win. I am disappointed in this as the story was excellent. Could you please contact Viperinelight50 and mention this? If he doesn't respond then I recommend contacting his local authorities because if he is that far down the slope of depression he is a suicide risk. Given you have his IP details and I don't only you can do this. Thanks. TLPG 08:52, August 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * I did, but people have a right to privacy, especially for such personal stories. While such stories might potentially help others, that does not override privacy rights - especially when it involves people under the age of 18. Kirkburn (talk) 14:51, August 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * I know the decision has been made to delete the page, but I am now of the belief that this is 99 percent certain an impersonation account. This user gave information that is just plain wrong about depression and I think invented this story just to encourage you to delete. There is some rotten fish in this barrel, in particular about his school. I wouldn't be surprised if the real person isn't under 18 either. But anyway we move on. I've banned this person from this Wikia for good. TLPG 13:03, August 14, 2018 (UTC)


 * @TLPG - as I previously mentioned, we were able to confirm their identity. I have seen no evidence of impersonation here, just a private individual who has had a change of heart. While I won't force you to unblock this user, I would encourage you to reconsider your response. Kirkburn (talk) 14:44, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * @Kirkham - I remain convinced you've been tricked. The behaviour of the user is not consistent with depression, and the claim of being under 18 is inconsistent with the claim on the profile of the original impersonator is an architect - both in terms of age (a proper architect can not claim that without the full qualifications which can't come until after four years in university meaning no less than 22 years old) and in terms of the claim to have a fixation with plumbing, which has little if anything to do with architecture. There's just too much inconsistency to be believable, well beyond just a change of heart. The school situation suffers from similar inconsistency. I've seen too much of this heinous behaviour by people trying to make us look bad to just sweep it under the carpet. I hope that explains my position better. TLPG 22:39, August 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, I'm Tim from the Community team, Kirkburn's colleague. Kirkburn asked me to give this a further review. First, we are 99.99% confident these are the same two users - IP and email data line up. There is no evidence to support any impersonation and it would be incredibly unlikely someone would pick a random user out of our 36 million accounts to impersonate. TLPG, I would also point out if you feel as though there is "fishiness" about the authenticity of the original story, then you probably don't want it represented on this website since it would be inauthentic.
 * My brother has a mild form of autism and I myself have suffered from clinical depression for long periods of my life. I am empathetic to the challenges and stereotypes people have regarding mental and developmental health. It's important to note that everyone handles their challenges differently - some people are much more comfortable sharing their tales publicly and some are not. Some change their minds as they continue to process and change through their life. Any user on our site is free to share what they wish and they equally free to withhold what they wish. I would encourage you that a healthy community, one that truly helps people regardless of where they fall - or if they are even - in the spectrum is a place that encourages different viewpoints and different ways of expressing personal experiences. Please leave this page deleted and remain open-minded that people might have different goals for their time on this website than what yours are. --TimmyQuivy (help forum | blog) 16:57, August 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * @TimmyQuivy There is a lot of circumstantial evidence to support impersonation - the inconsistencies in particular. That's not different goals at all. This behaviour is ticking all the boxes of a nasty impersonation against the real Viperinelight, even down to using the same ISP and email. I've seen it - and at one point back in 2001 I was a victim of it. This isn't random. I believe it to be someone the real Viperinelight knows and may well have trusted. Hence it's apparent authenticity. Now I'm not saying this to convince you that the page needs to be restored. That's Kirkburn's decision and I'm not about to over rule a Wikia/Fandom staff member. The point right now is that this impersonator is seeking attention through the unproven story of depression. Even just now the impersonator blew it again, claiming the plumbing fixation was recent and trying to excuse the architecture job as similar, when he can't possibly be working in that industry without qualifications which he can't get until age 22 (four years in university). The real Viperinelight is in Scotland and things work the same way in education there as they do in other British influenced countries - including my native Australia. No - Autism fixations that last start well before this as I know through experience. There are the odd exceptions, but plumbing would not be amongst them as that is always there and visible in the home. I'm all for a healthy community. But a healthy community is compromised with impersonators telling false stories. It's why I strive for sources for the articles on this Wikia, even the article on me (Phil Gluyas). I'm more lenient on personal stories but there has to be something there. I'm very much a supporter of Autistics being proud of who they are and displaying this as much as possible. It's why I was originally reticent to delete the page along with the fact that it was important to the depression situation. But as I said, that decision was taken out of my hands and I accept it. But we can't have fakes about. It's going to take a lot more than IP and email matching to convince me I have this wrong. A lot more. There are a load of unanswered questions, and honestly I don't think any can be answered on a public forum if there's any truth to it. You say 99.99 percent. I say that 0.01 percent is in play. Again, I hope that explains my position better. TLPG 04:22, August 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * As the hosts of this wiki with the ability to analyze more evidence than you can, we have decided to believe these are the same two users. Any attempt to restore the previously deleted page or otherwise try to go against the wish of this user to not have their personal story shared on this wiki any further will result in your account losing admin status on this community. --TimmyQuivy (help forum | blog) 17:55, August 20, 2018 (UTC)
 * And I have decided to believe you have been tricked. The deletion of the page was never disputed by me for the reasons you stated. I would therefore consider this matter closed. Thank you. TLPG 11:16, August 21, 2018 (UTC)